Grateful Dead Live at Gym, S.U.N.Y. on 1970-10-31
Audio With External Links Item Preview
Share or Embed This Item
- Publication date
- 1970-10-31 ( check for other copies)
- Topics
- Live concert
- Collection
- GratefulDead
- Band/Artist
- Grateful Dead
- Resource
- DeadLists Project
- Item Size
- 489.3M
Till The Morning Comes, Hard To Handle, Mama Tried, China Cat Sunflower, I Know You Rider, Dire Wolf, Cold Rain And Snow, Me And My Uncle, Dark Hollow, Brokedown Palace , Viola Lee Blues, Cumberland Blues, Uncle John's Band
Notes
-- two "shows" were advertised, at 8:00 and at 12:00, "featuring NRPS." This fileset is the Early Show electric Dead set.
--The last minute or so of Rider is clipped; this sounds like it's on the master.
--There is also a brief cut starting 2:13 into Brokedown.
--This is the final Viola Lee Blues and Jerry slips out the backdoor without a goodbye.
- Access-restricted-item
- true
- Addeddate
- 2004-05-30 20:00:48
- Discs
- 1
- Has_mp3
- 1
- Identifier
- gd70-10-31.early.sbd.fischer.6517.sbeok.shnf
- Lineage
- SBD > Reel > DAT > D7 > Coresound > Prodif Plus > Samplitude 5.5 > CD Wave > SHN
- Location
- Stony Brook, NY
- Shndiscs
- 1
- Source
- Soundboard - Early Show
- Transferred by
- Mike Fischer
- Type
- sound
- Venue
- Gym, S.U.N.Y.
- Year
- 1970
comment
Reviews
Reviewer:
c-freedom
-
November 1, 2022
Subject: Make your self easy..
Subject: Make your self easy..
How many versions do we have of Til The Morning Comes?
The Hard to Handle is sizzling!
Weir's voice on Mama Tried is pristine
I still sing this tune at the oddest of times,
I often think of this along with the U.S. Blues animated track.
Good bye yer honor!
China Cat Sunflower-yeah!>IKYR-wild geese in the west
love those backing vocals on the rider
Decent Dire Wolf-post Weir vocal experiment
Rain & Snow-good licks from Garcia
Very HOT Me & My Uncle
Dark Hallow is sweet
Brokedown-mid set Wow!
Harmonies just melt into Garcia's vocals
Nice VIOLALee
a lesser band could have played this every night and made a living at it on it and from it for the rest of their day
They explore this and give it its due
Sounds like a little tape slowdown
but Garcia is sparking none the less
Way to many extreme opinions on this show for my taste
usually I like to read the reviews and listen to the show
with this I pretty much had to put the reviewers out of mind
and just listen to the music.
For my ears this is a good quality recording with a few sound bumps here and there but Viola>Cumberland that is high cotton
no matter who thinks what of this or that.
Anyway don't want to get into the mud so just going to listen to Jerry shred on Cumberland.
UJB-can't help but reckon this must have been some kinda time to see the band.
Besides there ability to lift off into the stratosphere
I really like the harmonies from this era.
The Hard to Handle is sizzling!
Weir's voice on Mama Tried is pristine
I still sing this tune at the oddest of times,
I often think of this along with the U.S. Blues animated track.
Good bye yer honor!
China Cat Sunflower-yeah!>IKYR-wild geese in the west
love those backing vocals on the rider
Decent Dire Wolf-post Weir vocal experiment
Rain & Snow-good licks from Garcia
Very HOT Me & My Uncle
Dark Hallow is sweet
Brokedown-mid set Wow!
Harmonies just melt into Garcia's vocals
Nice VIOLALee
a lesser band could have played this every night and made a living at it on it and from it for the rest of their day
They explore this and give it its due
Sounds like a little tape slowdown
but Garcia is sparking none the less
Way to many extreme opinions on this show for my taste
usually I like to read the reviews and listen to the show
with this I pretty much had to put the reviewers out of mind
and just listen to the music.
For my ears this is a good quality recording with a few sound bumps here and there but Viola>Cumberland that is high cotton
no matter who thinks what of this or that.
Anyway don't want to get into the mud so just going to listen to Jerry shred on Cumberland.
UJB-can't help but reckon this must have been some kinda time to see the band.
Besides there ability to lift off into the stratosphere
I really like the harmonies from this era.
Reviewer:
motownfellini
-
favoritefavorite -
February 12, 2019
Subject: Stony Brook shows are among worst of '70
Subject: Stony Brook shows are among worst of '70
Happy I read the backstory because listening to these tapes (both of them) you can HEAR there MUST be some kind of backstory because the Dead seem like they don't give a shit. Lots and lots of mistakes, Jerry of all people. (he also plays some great shit, obviously, but lots of "clams"). Mickey, maybe happy to be back on Long Island, is in good form....maybe too good, I feel like he overplays on the first show. However the drums in "The Other One" are fantastic. "Smokestack Lightning" is also good.
The Dead seem a little bored with their rep also around this time, and try out different songs (Dark Hollow electrically) and try bringing back old ones (Viola Lee Blues, which has a real "couldn't give a fuck" vibe to it until it veers off into "Cumberland Blues", the song they'd rather be playing. They do "the Other One" with a nice long Drums....then a couple of songs later they're playing "Good Lovin'" with an EVEN LONGER Drums (that's not as nice!). Most of "Good Lovin'" IS the drums!
I mean, when Pigpen suddenly gets THREE songs in a row (Big Boss Man, Hard To Handle and Good Lovin')....and one of them is a repeat from the afternoon show (Hard To Handle)....you know something's up! (incidentally the first show's "Hard To Handle" seems to these ears as the "better" version).
Jerry talked about getting his playing down to where you can hear his "mood".....if I'm reading his mood right on this one, it's "I don't give a fuck".
Now the CROWD seems to be having a ball! Which is what Deadheads do! Just because the tape isn't Harpur College doesn't mean the crowd didn't enjoy themselves! Hell, that's the story of many a Dead show, right?
The Dead seem a little bored with their rep also around this time, and try out different songs (Dark Hollow electrically) and try bringing back old ones (Viola Lee Blues, which has a real "couldn't give a fuck" vibe to it until it veers off into "Cumberland Blues", the song they'd rather be playing. They do "the Other One" with a nice long Drums....then a couple of songs later they're playing "Good Lovin'" with an EVEN LONGER Drums (that's not as nice!). Most of "Good Lovin'" IS the drums!
I mean, when Pigpen suddenly gets THREE songs in a row (Big Boss Man, Hard To Handle and Good Lovin')....and one of them is a repeat from the afternoon show (Hard To Handle)....you know something's up! (incidentally the first show's "Hard To Handle" seems to these ears as the "better" version).
Jerry talked about getting his playing down to where you can hear his "mood".....if I'm reading his mood right on this one, it's "I don't give a fuck".
Now the CROWD seems to be having a ball! Which is what Deadheads do! Just because the tape isn't Harpur College doesn't mean the crowd didn't enjoy themselves! Hell, that's the story of many a Dead show, right?
Reviewer:
MyFellowPrisoners
-
favoritefavoritefavorite -
January 3, 2019
Subject: you had to be there, huh?
Subject: you had to be there, huh?
dude, i was there (not as early as you, but beginning early '80's), and that fact adds nothing to my so-called "expertise" of a particular show, tape, soundboard, etc. Dismissing the opinion of those who "weren't there, man" is childish and absurd.
Reviewer:
eeephour
-
favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite -
October 29, 2017 (edited)
Subject: You had to be there.....
Subject: You had to be there.....
For the naysayers whose only experience here are the tapes. Fwiw, the folks at the board knew wtf they were doing. If it were a volume issue, just like the week before with the Allman Bros (see, I was there and know), it was hardly an all night theme of the bands being pissed off. After all, the Dead were there in 67 & 68 (before my time) as well as the Allmans playing there 5x over two years. Now, back to the show. It was a fucking lysergic weekend with thousands of heads descending upon campus (from sister schools in Albany, Buffalo, as well as other schools in the NE Boston, New Haven etc). And lest I forget, the shit head townies from nearby Three Villages, etc. What a fucking weekend. And as I said, you had to be there. Half of you fuckers weren't even protoplasm in your old mans' balls when this went down. Fucking townies broke into the Deads' hotel room and ripped of all of their $$$, but that didn't deter them from giving us a weekend (4 shows to remember). I worked three of the shows (security) and had 3rd row seats, right in front of Garcias' pedal steel (Riders set), Micky was fucking scary, in his wool black hat against that black curtain backdrop. Pig in a gold lame' turban, Bobby's a fucking 18 yo. kid forChristsake. Till the Morning Comes, UJB, Stephen, the last fucking Viola Lee. Just keep hatin on the Dead, and wax about how great Dead & Coi is all about vis a vis Country Dead circa 1970. Sure, it isn't Harpur, it isn't the FE 2/13 or 9/19, but it happened and it was fucking good. This is for you Fancy Nancy, wherever you may be.
Reviewer:
ChinaCatRider21
-
March 15, 2017
Subject: Aspects to enjoy from SUNY Show
Subject: Aspects to enjoy from SUNY Show
When I listen to this show I consistently skip over or don't even notice a few songs like Till the Morning Comes, Me and My Uncle, Uncle Johns, but a few bright spots catch my attention and I'll play them again (and again): Hard to Handle ( nice groove from 2:50 to 8:15), Dire Wolf, Viola Lee.
Reviewer:
N Hoey
-
favoritefavorite -
December 31, 2010
Subject: Definitely not notable
Subject: Definitely not notable
These Stonybrook tapes have been around almost since they happened. Any experienced listener to 1970 GD knows these are disappointments. They were plagued by technical problems and the band seemed aggravated. Lackluster sums it up. Were these of genuine greatness, the consensus would have developed long ago.
One thing Jerry mentioned in interviews was that consistency was woefully lacking in the early years. This is an example of not performing anywhere near potential.
One thing Jerry mentioned in interviews was that consistency was woefully lacking in the early years. This is an example of not performing anywhere near potential.
Reviewer:
grifftrain2000
-
December 30, 2010
Subject: 1970 -10- 31
Subject: 1970 -10- 31
Like Arck says, if your opinion is not the same as mine then you really have no business stating it. I dont like this show, so if you do there is something wrong with your musical tastes. Im Arck and what I say goes
Reviewer:
Arck
-
favoritefavorite -
November 2, 2010
Subject: Anyone who gives this show 5 stars...
Subject: Anyone who gives this show 5 stars...
...is either joking or doesn't know what they're talking about. Sure, you're free to have an opinion but 5 stars???? Unbelievable. You need to get out more. This show is at best average and at worst dull and dreary. 1970 has some of the finest moments the band ever had but for me, this show is right down in the bottom half of the shows of the year. Nothing is especially terrible but when you compare this with the Fillmore East shows just over a month earlier or the Capitol Theater shows a week later you can see how uninteresting this. It's totally unremarkable. The Viola Lee> Cumberland> Uncle John promises a lot but is a let down.
Please - give ratings that actually reflect the quality of the show in the context of other shows from the same time period.
Please - give ratings that actually reflect the quality of the show in the context of other shows from the same time period.
Reviewer:
mikeyank99
-
favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite -
October 22, 2010
Subject: lackluster???????????????
Subject: lackluster???????????????
lackluster r u people crazy or u still dropping acid great show here
Reviewer:
skuzzlebutt
-
favoritefavoritefavorite -
April 25, 2006
Subject: Not bad for a matinee
Subject: Not bad for a matinee
This show is a lot of fun, considering it was the early show and thereforse essentially a "warm up" for the evening gig. Nothing for the ages here, but overall it's solid, with decent sound and a couple of interesting entrees in the set list: one of only a few attempts at "Til the Morning comes" and the last ever "Viola Lee Blues". Although not a classic, I find myself reaching for this one occasionally when I want a taste of 1970 but don't have time to listen to a full-length show.
Reviewer:
SNIPER777
-
favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite -
December 8, 2005
Subject: 10-30/31-1970 ~ STONY BROOK, NY ./SHOWS
Subject: 10-30/31-1970 ~ STONY BROOK, NY ./SHOWS
THANK~YOU, FOR ALL INVOLVED IN UPLOADING THESE
LEGENDARY SHOWS. THEY ARE NOT "LACKLUSTER" BY ANY MEANS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD MAKE ANYBODY SAY THIS, I GUESS THEY DIDN'T LISTEN TO THOSE HISSY OLD GRATEFUL DEAD TAPES FOR 20 YEARS.
DARK HOLLOW, BROKEDOWN PALACE,
VIOLA LEE BLUES ----> CUMBERLAND BLUES:
I GUESS YOUR NOT HAPPY W/ THE SONG SELECTION EITHER ???????
THANK'S AGAIN GUY'S
L.S. ~ PHILA
LEGENDARY SHOWS. THEY ARE NOT "LACKLUSTER" BY ANY MEANS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD MAKE ANYBODY SAY THIS, I GUESS THEY DIDN'T LISTEN TO THOSE HISSY OLD GRATEFUL DEAD TAPES FOR 20 YEARS.
DARK HOLLOW, BROKEDOWN PALACE,
VIOLA LEE BLUES ----> CUMBERLAND BLUES:
I GUESS YOUR NOT HAPPY W/ THE SONG SELECTION EITHER ???????
THANK'S AGAIN GUY'S
L.S. ~ PHILA
Reviewer:
J Chazen
-
favoritefavorite -
November 2, 2005
Subject: correct..lackluster
Subject: correct..lackluster
Not a hot 70 show....
Reviewer:
jackospax
-
favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite -
September 20, 2005
Subject: Hot as it gets
Subject: Hot as it gets
I have to assume the previous reviewer only listened to the first track. "Till The Morning Comes" was only played five times despite appearing on American Beauty. For some reason the band never got into this song...which is a shame, I think its a really good one! But in this case it's very weak, lots of off key chords and such. "Lackluster". BUT the REST of the show is absolutely smokin'. Download it!
Reviewer:
SuGarDaDDy
-
favorite -
August 17, 2005
Subject: Call a Spade a Spade
Subject: Call a Spade a Spade
bout' as lack luster as it gets. Sound quality is the only thing gettin a star here.
Reviewer:
canonico
-
favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite -
August 12, 2005
Subject: long ago and far away
Subject: long ago and far away
I lived 2 miles from Stony Brook University and graduated HS in '69. Tom R., a good friend in my time at Adelphi U, said I HAD to get into the Dead. We ended up seeing them every time they came to the NY area until I moved to Oregon in Jan of '71.
The halloween show at Stony Brook was great because not only did they play really well, but all my HS and college friends were there, it was a wonderful atmosphere and it was my birthday.
The halloween show at Stony Brook was great because not only did they play really well, but all my HS and college friends were there, it was a wonderful atmosphere and it was my birthday.
Reviewer:
elvikingo
-
favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite -
February 23, 2005 (edited)
Subject: ¡oh mah god!
Subject: ¡oh mah god!
I haven't heard this show for years. It was one of the first tapes I was given. I wore it out from listening to it so much. I love this set. The Viola Lee>Cumberland is on fire. I'm falling out of my chair listening to it right now. The boys just smoke. Worth it just for that jam. Great Uncle John's as well.
Reviewer:
southernflavour
-
favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite -
November 1, 2004
Subject: a real treat
Subject: a real treat
good sound, great show. unique flavor
Reviewer:
DeadDave
-
favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite -
September 18, 2004 (edited)
Subject: Trick or treat!!!
Subject: Trick or treat!!!
Friggin' AWESOME show for tight little tunes
This is the early show with the last Viola Lee Blues (retired)
As you can see the setlist shown is the LATE show. But is incorrect because this IS the early show.
This is the early show with the last Viola Lee Blues (retired)
As you can see the setlist shown is the LATE show. But is incorrect because this IS the early show.
There are 18 reviews for this item. .
39,222 Views
32 Favorites
IN COLLECTIONS
Grateful DeadUploaded by Jonathan Aizen on